Recently I saw a video where Frank Turek was answering questions on the Ohio State University campus. Most of the questioners were believers, but there was this one guy, Javier who wasn't. He jousted with Dr. Turek, and artfully evaded questions and arguments offered, however it was a good natured exchange. One question he asked Dr. Turek though has stuck with me and I want to consider it with you today.
As I understood the exchange, and in my words, he argued that God, if he is God, would know exactly what type of evidence it would take to convince Javier that He [God] exists, so it is futile for him to seriously consider this 'unconvincing evidence' that was being presented, but instead it was incumbent on this 'God' to present sufficiently convincing evidence to convert him.
What do you think about that? At least part of his point holds doesn't it? I buy that since God is God, He knows and is capable of presenting evidence that would convince an honest skeptic right? Oh, wait, did you catch that? An honest skeptic. Now I can't judge the heart of anyone, much less someone like Javier that I've just seen on a YouTube clip, however the question he artfully evaded was "If Christianity were true, would you be a Christian?" Not exactly a hardball. He argued [among other things] "Well, that depends on what you mean by truth...blah, blah, blah". Anyone who is honest can be almost brain-dead and answer a "If this is true, would you accept it" question, but for some reason Javier couldn't bring himself to say "Yes, if Christianity is true, I will be a Christian". Really? If there really is a heaven and a hell, Jesus truly was resurrected, I will die and actually face Jehovah, standing before the Judgment seat of Christ and be eternally rewarded or condemned based on my response to this...and I can't bring myself to say, yes, if all that's true I'll follow Jesus?
That brings up my thought about Javier's question. What kind of evidence would it take to convince Javier [or some other skeptic like him]? He asked for direct evidence from God that he cannot reject. But think about that request...there is a fundamental flaw in the request. Unrejectable evidence would remove the key human aspect of Christianity, faith.
Consider the irony, he is using his free will to argue that, if there is a God, he should present evidence so undeniable that I will have no option than to accept it. But if evidence is that strong, there is no point to free will, no need for faith, it is undeniable. So his argument amounts to "If God wants me to believe in Him, he needs to remove my freedom to refuse to believe in Him." Do you see the irony?
What I really think is that even if God presented undeniable evidence to someone who doesn't want to believe, they will still reject Him. Doubt that? Think about this. Did Satan have undeniable evidence of God? Oh yes. Is there any doubt in Satan or his minions about God? None. But do they follow God? No. Why? You'd think, if God is God He could give the devil sufficient evidence to convince them to follow Him, yes? You see, the problem isn't with the evidence, the problem is with the heart of the one weighing the evidence.
A few years ago a young man approached me at church with questions [presumably from 'friends'] about the Christian faith. Turns out he is a skeptic, just not 'sure' God exists. Presenting it as though it is something noble, he tells me that he doesn't want to believe until/unless he's 100% sure that God is real and Jesus is His son. Okay, that sounds noble, but it's really not. What he is doing instead is believing that there [probably] isn't a God, even though he isn't 100% sure of that either. He's just choosing to believe one less than sure option while rejecting another less that sure option because he "can't be sure".
Arguments like Javier's, on the surface have real appeal, but when you step back and think them through, they are just another smoke screen from someone who doesn't want to believe.
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Well that's an eye opening parallel you drew there between Satan having direct evidence of God's existence and the dishonest skeptic.
ReplyDeleteGreat blog...I never thought about peoples arguments being a "smoke screen" for those who don't want to believe.
ReplyDeleteJavier's comment seemed very reasonable to me when I first read it. I never really thought about the root of that comment. I really liked what you had to say about it. It really opened my eyes!
ReplyDeleteI liked some of the points in this blog post.
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed reading this great post!
ReplyDeleteGood Post, gets me thinking.
ReplyDeleteI’ve never really thought about how Satan doesn’t believe though he has all the evidence in concordance with skeptics who don’t believe.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that asking for undeniable evidence of God is ironic or that it takes away free will because you still the will to accept and believe and follow Jesus. You can easily see the miracle and then deny its existence by your own choice. And seeing the sign doesn't eliminate the need for faith. Moses saw a burning bush that didn't burn up and heard the voice of God but he still needed faith throughout the rest of his life and in some instances like with the rock in the dessert he chose not to obey God.
ReplyDeleteIts not that Satan doesn't believe that God is who he is and that Jesus is the son of God, but he hates God and envy's God's throne.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, a belief in Jesus is nothing without faith that he can save you from your sin & a belief that you need a savior
ReplyDeleteI really don’t like dealing with people like that, because at the end of the day they just don’t want to believe no matter how hard of evidence you show. Good post
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